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	<title>Defending Foxman or cool it Armenians! yazısına yapılan yorumlar</title>
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		<title>faruk tarafından</title>
		<link>http://bekirlyildirim.wordpress.com/2007/08/27/defending-foxman-or-cool-it-armenians/#comment-4483</link>
		<dc:creator>faruk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Aug 2007 14:45:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This latest decision of ADL reminded me a famous saying of ours: siracinin sahidi bozaci!

 http://fekmekci.blogspot.com/2007/08/elie-wiesele-dantlar-da-aldlar-nitekim.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This latest decision of ADL reminded me a famous saying of ours: siracinin sahidi bozaci!</p>
<p> <a href="http://fekmekci.blogspot.com/2007/08/elie-wiesele-dantlar-da-aldlar-nitekim.html" rel="nofollow">http://fekmekci.blogspot.com/2007/08/elie-wiesele-dantlar-da-aldlar-nitekim.html</a></p>
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		<title>Bekir L. Yildirim tarafından</title>
		<link>http://bekirlyildirim.wordpress.com/2007/08/27/defending-foxman-or-cool-it-armenians/#comment-4473</link>
		<dc:creator>Bekir L. Yildirim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Aug 2007 21:05:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Israeli means being from Israel, or being a citizen of it; same as your being from Turkey, I suppose. Does not say anything about your allegiance, feelings or views about the country. Notwithstanding,  I do not think that  &quot;bottomline&quot; is where the author is from but again you are free decide on yours. I am sure there are others who will render judgements on the content rather than the labels. At any rate,  thanks for the comments.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Israeli means being from Israel, or being a citizen of it; same as your being from Turkey, I suppose. Does not say anything about your allegiance, feelings or views about the country. Notwithstanding,  I do not think that  &#8220;bottomline&#8221; is where the author is from but again you are free decide on yours. I am sure there are others who will render judgements on the content rather than the labels. At any rate,  thanks for the comments.</p>
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		<title>Haydar tarafından</title>
		<link>http://bekirlyildirim.wordpress.com/2007/08/27/defending-foxman-or-cool-it-armenians/#comment-4472</link>
		<dc:creator>Haydar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Aug 2007 20:25:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The bottom line is; how much Turk Solu (Turkish Left) is a leftist magazine, israelshamir.net is that much israeli web site.
(By the way the link is not working).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The bottom line is; how much Turk Solu (Turkish Left) is a leftist magazine, israelshamir.net is that much israeli web site.<br />
(By the way the link is not working).</p>
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		<title>Bekir L. Yildirim tarafından</title>
		<link>http://bekirlyildirim.wordpress.com/2007/08/27/defending-foxman-or-cool-it-armenians/#comment-4465</link>
		<dc:creator>Bekir L. Yildirim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Aug 2007 14:01:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Haydar Bey,

Since the article is in English, in the interest of non-Turkish speakers I&#039;ll respond in kind.

I don&#039;t know what others&#039; &quot;significant others&quot; you are talking about, but it is none of my concern. What I express are my views, not those of others, as Sahmir&#039;s is his. I suggest again that deciding on the objective facts, and rendering judgements based thereon is a better method than watching which direction  the wind is blowing.  

&quot;arguments being unique to our pop culture&quot; argument itself is &quot;unique&quot; I  must admit. Leaving aside a view on a political history being described in terms of &quot;pop culture&quot;, are we deciding on the truth based on the dictates of &quot;our pop culture&quot; now? And who is &quot;we&quot;? Shamir is an Israeli intellectual and his writings can be found at www.israelshamir.net. If you are suggesting that I brainwashed him, I take it as a compliment. 

If Shamir is claiming that hundreds of thousands of Armenians did not  perish in the Trageedy, I am with you. However,  I checked the article again but failed to see such argument. Are you sure you are referring to this article?

My views on the same subject:

&lt;a href=&quot;http://bekirlyildirim.wordpress.com/2007/02/23/bati%e2%80%99nin-vicdani-yahudi-ermeni-lobileri-soykirim-tasarisi/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Batı’nin Vicdanı, Yahudi, Ermeni Lobileri, Soykırım Tasarısı&lt;/a&gt;

&lt;a href=&quot;http://bekirlyildirim.wordpress.com/2007/02/13/abd-kongresinde-soykirim-tasarisi-yahudi-lobisi/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;ABD Kongresi’nde “Soykırım” Tasarısı, Yahudi Lobisi&lt;/a&gt;
ABD Kongresi’nde “Soykırım” Tasarısı, Yahudi Lobisi</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Haydar Bey,</p>
<p>Since the article is in English, in the interest of non-Turkish speakers I&#8217;ll respond in kind.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know what others&#8217; &#8220;significant others&#8221; you are talking about, but it is none of my concern. What I express are my views, not those of others, as Sahmir&#8217;s is his. I suggest again that deciding on the objective facts, and rendering judgements based thereon is a better method than watching which direction  the wind is blowing.  </p>
<p>&#8220;arguments being unique to our pop culture&#8221; argument itself is &#8220;unique&#8221; I  must admit. Leaving aside a view on a political history being described in terms of &#8220;pop culture&#8221;, are we deciding on the truth based on the dictates of &#8220;our pop culture&#8221; now? And who is &#8220;we&#8221;? Shamir is an Israeli intellectual and his writings can be found at <a href="http://www.israelshamir.net" rel="nofollow">http://www.israelshamir.net</a>. If you are suggesting that I brainwashed him, I take it as a compliment. </p>
<p>If Shamir is claiming that hundreds of thousands of Armenians did not  perish in the Trageedy, I am with you. However,  I checked the article again but failed to see such argument. Are you sure you are referring to this article?</p>
<p>My views on the same subject:</p>
<p><a href="http://bekirlyildirim.wordpress.com/2007/02/23/bati%e2%80%99nin-vicdani-yahudi-ermeni-lobileri-soykirim-tasarisi/" rel="nofollow">Batı’nin Vicdanı, Yahudi, Ermeni Lobileri, Soykırım Tasarısı</a></p>
<p><a href="http://bekirlyildirim.wordpress.com/2007/02/13/abd-kongresinde-soykirim-tasarisi-yahudi-lobisi/" rel="nofollow">ABD Kongresi’nde “Soykırım” Tasarısı, Yahudi Lobisi</a><br />
ABD Kongresi’nde “Soykırım” Tasarısı, Yahudi Lobisi</p>
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		<title>Haydar tarafından</title>
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		<dc:creator>Haydar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Aug 2007 13:24:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Yildirim,

I think there are two arguments in this. One being Armenian issue, the other one is who wrote this article.

About the Armenian issue Turkish State&#039;s position is known and no other significant others support that line. They either oppose to that or does not comment.
Where I stand on this issue is; obviously I do not support Turkish State&#039;s official position. Hundreds of thousands of human beings perished and responsibility lies with the GOVERNMENT AT THE TIME. However I do not believe that it was a &quot;Genocide&quot; either. If it was, there would not be an Armenian left in Anatolia.
This is a classical argument ongoing all over. I do not see a point in discussing this.

However, the second argument is; who wrote this article?
The writer&#039;s comments and motives are so unique to our pop culture, I can hardly believe that someone brewed out of this culture can put together an article like this.
That&#039;s what I dont buy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Yildirim,</p>
<p>I think there are two arguments in this. One being Armenian issue, the other one is who wrote this article.</p>
<p>About the Armenian issue Turkish State&#8217;s position is known and no other significant others support that line. They either oppose to that or does not comment.<br />
Where I stand on this issue is; obviously I do not support Turkish State&#8217;s official position. Hundreds of thousands of human beings perished and responsibility lies with the GOVERNMENT AT THE TIME. However I do not believe that it was a &#8220;Genocide&#8221; either. If it was, there would not be an Armenian left in Anatolia.<br />
This is a classical argument ongoing all over. I do not see a point in discussing this.</p>
<p>However, the second argument is; who wrote this article?<br />
The writer&#8217;s comments and motives are so unique to our pop culture, I can hardly believe that someone brewed out of this culture can put together an article like this.<br />
That&#8217;s what I dont buy.</p>
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		<title>Bekir L. Yildirim tarafından</title>
		<link>http://bekirlyildirim.wordpress.com/2007/08/27/defending-foxman-or-cool-it-armenians/#comment-4463</link>
		<dc:creator>Bekir L. Yildirim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Aug 2007 08:30:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Haydar Bey,

I respect your right to buy whatever you like.
Since  you kept us in the dark as to what parts of Israel&#039;s views you disagree with and on what grounds, I will not engage in specualations.

Shamir has been accused of a lot of things, most cjaracteristic one being his &quot;anti-establishmment&quot; views, I am certain carrying the &quot;state line&quot;  is not one of them. I am not sure what you have in mind with &quot;global mind&quot; , but a Jew paying a huge price going against Israel and the international Jewish establishment speaks for itself, in that respect as well. 

Haydar Bey, I humbly suggest employng your conscience and adherence to the truth wherewer the may lie is a better guide than playing  &quot;whose line it is anyway&quot; in determining positions on issues. 

PS: The last time I checked Israel is not living in Turkey, nor has he ever, save a couple of short visits.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Haydar Bey,</p>
<p>I respect your right to buy whatever you like.<br />
Since  you kept us in the dark as to what parts of Israel&#8217;s views you disagree with and on what grounds, I will not engage in specualations.</p>
<p>Shamir has been accused of a lot of things, most cjaracteristic one being his &#8220;anti-establishmment&#8221; views, I am certain carrying the &#8220;state line&#8221;  is not one of them. I am not sure what you have in mind with &#8220;global mind&#8221; , but a Jew paying a huge price going against Israel and the international Jewish establishment speaks for itself, in that respect as well. </p>
<p>Haydar Bey, I humbly suggest employng your conscience and adherence to the truth wherewer the may lie is a better guide than playing  &#8220;whose line it is anyway&#8221; in determining positions on issues. </p>
<p>PS: The last time I checked Israel is not living in Turkey, nor has he ever, save a couple of short visits.</p>
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		<title>Haydar tarafından</title>
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		<dc:creator>Haydar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Aug 2007 03:50:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To be honest with you; I dont buy this.
This writer must be a product of official turkish history taught in the schools, media and popular culture. The defence lines in the article is genetically identical to the very specific official line of Turkish State.
Not one single person on this planet outside Turkey would be able to put together such an exact replica of excuses, blames and diversion.

Anyone with the sense of golbal mind would not write this article.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To be honest with you; I dont buy this.<br />
This writer must be a product of official turkish history taught in the schools, media and popular culture. The defence lines in the article is genetically identical to the very specific official line of Turkish State.<br />
Not one single person on this planet outside Turkey would be able to put together such an exact replica of excuses, blames and diversion.</p>
<p>Anyone with the sense of golbal mind would not write this article.</p>
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